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by Chris Meyer Jan. 27 2003


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Has the whole world suddenly turned into one giant Genetic Tinker-Toy Test Labratory, using us all as guinea pigs to tinker with or what?

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    and here: Protein Folding site

    Lets let IBM build a computer to simulate the problem:

    And, once built, Blue Gene will spend an entire year computing the predicted physical interactions betweeneach atom of an average-sized, 150-amino-acidprotein as it folds. To model the process, Blue Gene’screators will use sophisticated mathematical models of atomic interactions known as “force fields. ” No one yet knows how accurate force fields are for predicting way proteins fold, because the computer power does not yet exist to fully test them. Blue Gene, its designers say, will change that. According to Dennis Newns, software architect for the project, “We ’re going into this as sort of ’blue sky’ science: to find out what ’s happening. Are the force fields good enough?”

    And do you really think they will or can do a better job than they did predicting and controlling the weather? Decoding the 3.5 Billion cellular (helical) human blueprint encrypted instruction code of life! A game of reality or futility? In the 1950's scientists predicted controlling the weather. Yet to this day, mankind and science has donenothing other than create havoc with our weather systems,and can scarcely predict the weather beyond tomorrow. They certainly don't and can't control it! Exactly who are these scientists trying to kid?

    Top geneticists appearing as guests onthe Charlie Rose show, admit that rather than the human genome project(HGP) being a real concrete scientific advancement, it is rather, a conceptualadvancement for science and mankind (likened to landing on the moon) -"Dr. Haseltine" .
    They simply don't know if they've found anything worth while or not, sincethey don't really understand what they have found. All that is known forsure, is that it probably means something? What is mankind doing?

    Where'sGod in the Machine? We are being thought of as DNA machines, and that isall!

    The who's who in Genomics:

    • Dr. Craig Ventor PhD psychology and Pharmacology and President of CelaraGenomics.
    • Dr. Hamilton Smith, winner of 1978 Nobel prize and creating a DNA libraryfor Celara Genomics.
    • Dr. Francis Collins molecular geneticist, Director of national centrefor human genome research institute at the national institutes of health.
    • Dr. Harold Morris, 1989 Nobel laureate and former director of the national institute of health and president of Memorial Sloane cancer research centre.
    • Dr. Arnold Slaveine, molecular biologist, and president of RockefellerUniversity.
    • Dr. James Watson, molecular biologist and co-discoverer of the double-helixstructure of DNA for which he won a Nobel prize in 1962.
    • Dr. Watson who won the nobel prize in 1962, says that "At ourleisure over the next 100 years while we figure out what the gene map means,we can continue to learn".
    • Dr. William Hazeltine, PhD in bio-physics, Chairman and CEO of humangenome sciences.
    • Dr Arthur Caplin, director of centre of bio-ethics at the Universityof Pensilvania.

    Re: Live Thursday June 20-24, 2000 "The Charlie Rose Show".

    To further show the ignorance of biologists, genetic scientists and the like:ThoseSmart, Strong Stem Cells: How do stem cells configure themselves to becomeany body part they are surrounded by?
    Scientists haven't a clue!

    If they cannot understand simple concepts, can weallow these people to tinker around with the complex 3 dimensional doublehelix coded and totally unknown human genome? What of plant genomics? GM modified MACE in the US has all but wiped out the

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    One major problem though: We will not find the true results of their experiments for another 50-200 years at least! This is because minor cellular disruptions may well not show up, for generations of human life, when perhaps one day, people will suddenly start dieing from the common cold or other current non-lethal virus.

    Decoding the 3.5 Billion cellular (helical) human blueprint encrypted instruction code of life! A game of reality or futility?
    In the 1950's scientists predicted controlling the weather. Yet to this day, mankind and science has done nothing other than create havoc with weather systems.
    Not only that! As far as figuring out encryption codes, until recently, and only after huge resources of computing power were harnessed, man himself has not been able to decrypt the 128 bit binary encryption algorithm that mankind himself designed to protect and hide the contents of messages sent over the Internet. This code was supposed to be unbreakable. Yet it has been just recently decoded, by an mass parallel computing endeavour by Team42.

    How much success, can mankind have, decoding a 4 bit helical code of over 3 billion instructions, and what's more, what real incite will it provide us, into what this code actually means to solve (not create new) medical problems?
    Perhaps too many Bio-scientists have been watching to much Star Trek? Or, maybe they are simply dreaming in technicolour?

    Even the relative simpler biologic finds of antibiotics of the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's, are now threatening to become more of a very temporary solution, and possibly their extensive and excessive use, will prove to have been a gigantic mistake. To be sure, in retrospect we will conclude that their (antibiotics) grandeur and (time-frame) usefulness with respect to other life forms on earth, will render antibiotics effectively non existent (ie .they never happened).

    To my mind, for something to be a real medical solution, it must work and stand the test of time itself. Something that works for less than 1000 years, (for all intents and purposes) never worked at all (was nothing but a blimp on the evolutionary calender). Anything that is a solution for < 50 years, is nothing more than a medical band-aid.

    Hospitalized people have increased odds against them for loosing their life.

    Due to antibiotic resistant bacteria, more people die every year from hospital infections
    (90,000) than from all accidental deaths (70,000), including motor vehicle crashes, fires, burns, falls, drownings, and poisonings.

    And what of the total breakdown of the so called silver bullet called Antibiotics? That was simple enough, but they don't work any more.
    Don't even wonder why! Simply smell the inside of your freezer, and you can smell the intoxicting smell of antibiotics in your food, like you're in a hospital!

    Conversely, testing something as radical as genetic manipulation, on a large scale as scientists and GM giants like Monsanto are now doing, on life forms that have evolved over millions of years, without first checking their behaviours and consequences on a very small scale, over a period of hundreds of years, is like gambling on a new game of which you don't even the odds. Science may find out too late that they have been playing a high stakes game of Russian Roulette, with the stakes being all of mankind.

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    • With Cancer already on an exponential rise in the world, maybe GM foods will end up, finishing off humanity as a species, once and for all?
    • To point out a simple but powerful point against the use of Bio-technology and genetic meddling, is:
    • The case of the Irish potato famine. Although no genetic meddling was done in todays terms of genetic fiddling, the outcome can be analogous. When the same line (family strain) of potatoes was handed down from generation to generation for re-planting, it actually simulated a common genetic trait. That eventually, encouraged a fungus to attack, and wiped out all crops which caused the famine. The outcome of this simulated playing with genetics was not known for generations and generations, until one day, it was suddenly and simply too late and too bad! As in the song "i shot the sheriff", one day the bottom did fall out.
    • To condense this idea into a more simple form, allow me to ask a simple question | What is, and has been, the reason for genetic diversification in the first place?
      I would expect, that since all of nature waists so much energy, in the seemingly functionally useless Male species, there must be some VERY important reason for diversity and cross reproduction in every species including plants.

    • Similar to the Irish genetically SAME potatoes (in the case of their famine), when a certain same trait is forced into all seeds (genetic modification), by simple probability, it can be extrapolated or concluded, that eventually, if that same trait is sought out for invasion by some virus, all that strain of plants from those seeds, could be infected and destroyed by the same infection.
    • Further: If Monsanto modified grain or potatoes are shipped and sold all over the world, what happens in 10+ years, if it is suddenly found out, that all of these offspring, are or have become susceptible to a certain virus. Then, in stead of all crops in say "Western Canada" being destroyed, in this scenario, all crops the World over, get wiped out.
    • Another angle of importance to consider: It has long been observed by farmers, that huge yielding crops, by nature, are not very much preferred. The reason for this, is that they have also been noted to be, very often weak to infestation by diseases, etc. [ie.]   ( farmers are then required to use huge quantities of pesticides and herbicides to control pests, in an effort to extract these huge yields. ?¿?¿ Excuse me, but haven't the great increases in cancer rates, been attributed to an exactly similar yet chemical tinkering which produced these chemical pesticides and herbicides in the first place, and which now, GM companies are about to try out on genetics¿?¿?  )
      Could it be, that once again Mother Nature; being as experienced and qualified an EXPERT as you could get, [being that Mother Nature has created all of life on earth over the last Millions of years ] has by experience noted and adjusted crops Genetically to be as productive and yet resilient to disease and fungus as possible, and not necessarily Genetically very productive or fast growing. Thus providing protection from disease, all the while ensuring adequate volume of growth! Take for example, the observation and tabling of results by the Medical profession of late.
      The medical profession clearly states, that woman who grow breasts at a very early age, are many times more likely to contract breast cancer!
    • All cooks, already know that the smaller the clove of garlic, the more potent it is. The smaller the strawberry, the sweeter and greater the taste. The smaller the grape, the better the wine, etc. etc..

    • Are the buffoons at Monsanto and other GM companies so bloody smart that they have overlooked this very simple possibility? Or, like the engineers at Micro$oft, just going to wait until the problem reports come in before addressing them, and then sending out genetic patches, fixes, upgrades and memos? Seems to me the BSE problem in Europe is a clear example of how quickly a problem in the food chain can royaly screw up everything, and how much damage the problem can cause for everyone concerned and how long the problem will take to clear up (if ever it can?).
    • i think, in the case of genetics, the Micro$oft model is a very un-exemplary way of doing things, and further; their way of conducting business would prove too be unworkable. ie. too little too late for all of mankind! I'm afraid that genetic patches in nature, would be as unworkable as trying to stop a hurricane in the Mid Atlantic Ocean. The much forgotten expressions "The Cat's out of the bag" and "The die is cast" will take on new and powerful meanings when the extent of the soon to come problems are realized!
      See link to the Micro$oft Anti christ 666 and the devil:
         genetic meddling Bill Gates is Satan conspiracy theory
    Some critics:

    Molecular biologists and geneticists around the world view J. Craig Venter as "the enemy." His critics, and there are many, are convinced that Venter and his corporate allies are out to seize control of vital genetic information by creating a company that will be "The Microsoft of Bio-technology".

    Excuse me!   But i expect, that the bio-technology sector of society will NEVER get away with the atrocities that Micro$oft has: ie.   Our world could simply not take such bungling, mistakes and shortcuts! The way microsoft has been running its empire.

    Main medical site with other Medical issues: ie.   Doctors acting as mechanics of the human condition.

    Genome Map Only a Baby Step! http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,34857,00.html

    "The government has hyped the Human Genome mapping Project a little too much," said Thomas Wagner, professor of molecular medicine at Clemson University in Clemson, South Carolina. "Once we know what every gene in the human genome does, then we'll know biology." Excuse me!   But all i can say to the above statement is: YEA! We are AS FAR away from being in a medically safe and scientifically sound position to mess with genes today, as early man was in controlling the weather systems around the globe with their half concocted maps of the world. Further; I believe, that even with the accurate satellite maps we have of the world today, we are no more equipped, capable or able, to improve on the worlds weather patterns (ie. re-map/re-direct weather activities), than we were in ie. the year 1492! On one hand, we are dealing with a map of something too big for us to control, and on the other hand, we are dealing with structures far too complex and tiny to accurately fully understand or control! (Please Someone, correct me if i'm wrong!) The Editor Genome is the term used to describe a complete set of chromosomes with all of its associated genes. Chromosomes contain thousands of genes and each gene, in turn, is made up of thousands of nucleotides, the basic building blocks of life. These strings of nucleotides for entire genomes will be the focus of the Clemson research. Determining the entire genetic sequence will allow researchers to identify the genes that control important functions, such as taste or yield, and isolate those genes from the "junk DNA" that makes up the basic structure of chromosomes. This information can then be shared with scientists in the United States and other countries who are searching for more efficient ways to meet the world's food needs.

    Latest NEWS 04/04/2000    HGP Head Refutes Celera's Claim. Has the first complete Genome sequencing actually been done?

    The GenBank Website

    News | SCI/TECH | Caution urged over genome hype

    On its own, the map is a jumble of C's, A's, G's, and T's -- letters that represent the sequence of human genes but don't explain how they function. While the genome map is the starting point for mining genetic information, genomics companies say they are the key link to discovering drugs and diagnostics for disease. Please see the following article .........

    http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,34857,00.html

    Contrary to belief by many people, that decoding the 3.5 Billion (not as in computers binary 0 or 1 coded but quatrairy 0 1 2 or 3 coded) 3 billion instructions long, wrapped in the helical coil, human blueprint code of life containing the secret (to this date not yet DE-CODED) message.
    At this juncture, i must first point out, that the secret 128 bit encryption code developed by man himself to protect and hide the contents of messages sent over the Internet, which was supposed to be unbreakable, has been just recently decoded, by an mass parallel computing endeavour by Team42. This gigantic effort by using mass parallel computing finally resulted in breaking a man made 128 bit binary code. Now, think of what it will take to understand, let alone play with and modify a 4 bit 3.5 billion words long instruction message?

      More on this at right-wrong.

    what is gene therapy? A Closer Look at Gene Therapy

    http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,34971,00.html Other bio-tech general info:

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